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Mirage 26/27/2700/28 Info required
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Hi All I'm quite enjoying being boatless and reading ads for Magna's replacement. Cobras, Sabres, Snapdragons, Sadlers etc. As you may guess, it's a 26/30 bilge keel yacht, mutli-cylinder engine, we seek, less (much?) than 10k. Mirage yachts appear in this slot and we have viewed some and been quite impressed. However, each owner believes theirs, 26/27/2700/28, is better than the others! So, any advice, insights? (I've been on owner's sites, still not sure.) Regards Nick
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Hi there from my experience the most difficult problem other than the normal issues affecting all GRP is the cored deck which can start to give serious money swallowing problems. Otherwise generally OK.Perhaps get this checked before making an offer. it is not difficult to test yourself initially, some PDF articles on cored decks on my website. A start! John Lilley
Cored decks are pretty standard, and any issues would be down to a particular boat. However I imagine the OP is just browsing / daydreaming if mentioning Snapdragons and Sadlers in the same sentence ! I helped a Mirage 28 out from under a concrete bridge after the October '87 Hurricane; the few yards to the beach was certainly her last trip, but I think she stood that test as well as any boat could have; with the mast long gone and big cracks in the hull, I was both surprised and impressed when the engine started. I met a couple in Jersey who came in after a long sail ( and I mean long, weeks at sea, I forget where from ) and been hit by lightning on the final leg into St Helier, instruments fried but the boat was OK. I think they're reasonable boats which do what they're intended for, neither over or under-built, quite reasonable performance for passage making if not setting the world on fire; not a bad boat if the price suits.
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NickRobinson said: Hi All I'm quite enjoying being boatless and reading ads for Magna's replacement. Cobras, Sabres, Snapdragons, Sadlers etc. As you may guess, it's a 26/30 bilge keel yacht, mutli-cylinder engine, we seek, less (much?) than 10k. Mirage yachts appear in this slot and we have viewed some and been quite impressed. However, each owner believes theirs, 26/27/2700/28, is better than the others! So, any advice, insights? (I've been on owner's sites, still not sure.) Regards Nick Click to expand...
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Class association is www.snapdragonmirage.org.uk . The tech officer is very helpful but only available by phone.
Your not my ex are you? "However I imagine the OP is just browsing / daydreaming if mentioning Snapdragons and Sadlers in the same sentence !" A day-dreamer replies... I've viewed four, from Chi to Harlech, two more pending. I've already made a final offer on one which was politely declined, such is browsing. I included Snappies as they were on my list at the start. Research ongoing has shown them to be rather pedestrian, unlike our posts. Thanks for the other info- Nick
Thanks all! I did know about the balsa cores, I posted about it some weeks back. Is the 27 made by a completely different business or is it a stable-mate of the 26/28? Again, thanks and keep it coming- Nick
There's a 2700 owner posts on here, so maybe he'll be along to give his experiences. To me they seem well built. Very good accommodation for their size. You'd not take one out to race.
Marsupial said: Have sailed the 28, 29 extensively back in the 80-90's and owned a 30CC. the 28 was replaced by the 29 and it was made and fitted out by Thames Marine, Boating Scene took over around 1986 ish renamed the 29 and called it a 30.5 - they counted the rudder in the length. My 30cc was 1982 and was a different boat. All had a voluminous hulls with good accommodation - the 26, 28 and 30cc were made for the Greek charter market. The 28 engine bay is small by 1980 standards and not many (if any) two cylinder engines fit re-engining can be a issue if you want more power. The 29 and 2700 was much improved, had a bigger cockpit, full standing headroom, bigger engine compartment, fatter arse, but was made for private owners so had a higher spec. Very strong hulls able to take the ground. Hit a harbour wall with one and they will give you a bill for damaging the wall. Possibly the best sailing bilge/twin keeler at the time. The 2700 is a small version of the 29 Condition is everything with these boats get a good one and you wont be disappointed. Click to expand...
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Hi, Does anybody out there have any experience with the quality of the deck and hull on the Mirage 24? I love the design and am considering buying one for daysailing on Lake Superior. If anyone has experience with these boats I'd love to hear about it. I won't be racing, just looking for a reasonably fast, sturdy cruiser that won't break in two or lose the mast if I get caught in a blow. Thanks, Mike
Mirage 24 I've raced on two of them and currently own a 24 C@C(similiar boat). I haven't heard anything bad about the design or structure. It is a more stripped version of my C@C from what I gather. Mine has a six inch surface crack on the mid port side from a previous owner and the hull is so strong it doesn't pose a problem. They have good resale and are versatile. Don't think you'll be disappointed. They are very popular in the Lake Erie to Lake St. Claire area we sail in.
Good to know... Thanks for the help Ahab. I'm pretty excited about looking at this one. Mike
Can't go too wrong on a Robert Perry design, Canadian built Mirage 24. Have it surveyed before you put your money into a purchase agreement. Are you buying from a dealer or a private individual? Good Luck... sanjuan2R Astoria C&C 27 sv/ Doodles
The Mirage 24 was designed by C&C and built by Mirage (it was their first boat). Mirage 24 - Used Sailboat Market in Canada Everything I've heard about Mirage with respect to quality has been positive. Then again, maintenance is key to a thirty plus year old boat. Good luck, they are a nice looking boat.
I had a Mirage 5.5, and thought it was a well built, sturdy boat. Sailed quite well also.
is this the same as the mirage 236?
I had a 236 that had excellent build quality. Nice boat!
Well, I hope the build quality is there, we bought her! Back on the water where I belong!!!!!!!! I didn't pay enough for the boat to justify a surveyor. Well kept but 30 years old. No oilcanning or blisters on the hull. No soft spots on the deck. Zero corrosion on the standing rigging which I'm pretty sure has been replaced at some point. Unlike the running rigging which is going to need a total refit. It has actual bulkheads (if you've ever seen the inside of a Ranger 22 you'll know why that excites me), and a real head that an emaciated 4 year old could probably squeeze into in an emergency. Keel bolts had no corrosion and no water in the bilge. Adjustable running back stay and boom vang, good harken blocks, snatch blocks for the toe rail and fore sail and 4 winches, 2 single speeds and 2 two speeds. Only electronics it came with was a vhf radio. It's dirty and needs new windows (ports? Not sure of the jargon) and a stern rail (what am I supposed to lean back on to work on my tan?) but I'm in love and the co-captain loves it as well, the main selling point being that the cockpit benches are long enough for her to stretch out on. I'll post pictures once I get it cleaned up. I appreciate the comments, there's not a lot of info on the Mirage 24s out there on the net but what I found was positive. 3 weekends and she's in the water! Fair winds, Mike
Hi Blueranger, I live in Montreal and I have been looking for a weekender and fast sailboat for Lac Saint-Louis. This boat will be my first big sailboat. Someone is selling a Mirage 24' at $4500. He repainted the entire hull and did the antiifouling recently, motor and sails seems to be OK too. I know you bought a similar boat quite recently. Could you give to me your point of view about this boat and her mean fortress and weaknees. Any help you may be able to provide would be greatly appreciated. Thanks,
I know this is an old thread I'm reviving but maybe this info will continue to be useful to other googlers looking at buying one of these boats in the future. I purchased a 1974 24' Mirage last year and I love it. I have spent zero dollars on it since purchase! This spring we will be painting the topside and a coat of antifoul on the hull. I love the boat and I would recommend it to other first time boat owners. Ours is not without it's flaws, but for the money we paid for it, it's a gem. We have a furling head sail and a 9.9 horse Honda outboard. The only thing that needs immediate attention is the main sail, it's pretty worn out. This spring will be the first time attempting to raise the mast so I'll be learning a lot this year. Cheers
I just joined this forum, mainly because I purchased a Mirage 24 yr1974 last week. From what I have read I am very pleased with my purchase price as it was <1900 US. All it needs is bottom paint and new lines and its ready to sail. However I need to sail it 144km across the long island sound from CT where its dry docked. My question is: What is the best cruising wind speed? and What is the average daily distance this boat can cover? Also I need to purchase an engine for it, what is a good recommended power?
Also, as for the electrical system I have not tested it (battery was dead) but it looked in good shape. Although planning on problems, I was looking but unable to find any diagrams on the net... does anyone know where I can find them or if its not a big deal?
electrical system is not a big deal. when I bought mine way back in the day one of the first winter projects was yank the bad stuff out and rewire. I think it was a two night after work job. Motor wise I had a 7.5 Johnson originally, that unfortunately gave up the ghost and I replaced with a 4 stroke Honda 5. Much quieter, and almost as much power. Hull speed should be in the 5.75 kts range. Personal top speed on a particularly windy afternoon surfing off a somewhat large wave was slightly over 13. Really wasn't that much fun. Enjoy the boat. They're great.
I thought I'd join on in this thread as well. Last summer I bought a Northern 1/4 ton, which is basically a rebadged Mirage 24. It's a wonderful little boat and I can't wait to get it back in the water for my first full season. I'm glad to see there are a few other owners on here.
'74 Mirage 24 Hull Number?? Grew up with a '76 O'Day 22. Just purchased a '74 Mirage 24. Enjoying sailing on the St. Johns River in Fl. Can anyone tell me how to find the Hull Number from the Boat I.D. Number. Also, any photos of rigging would be helpful. The person I bought it from sailed single handed to the Bahamas. She had it set up nicely for solo sailing. However the rigging needs replacement.
There's a guy on the yahoo mirage 24 group that has sailed his from Hamilton Ontario to the Bahamas!
I am also in Montreal on Lake St Louis out of the Royal St-Lawrence Yacht Club. Lots of Mirage boats there. Mirage was built locally. I know the original builder who is also a RSL club member. He is a champion sailor, and his boats reflect his need for speed. Mirage boats were and are solid. No fancy hand layup, just lots of glass applied by chopper gun. 30 years later they are still rock solid with none of the problems associated with cored hulls and decks. A bit heavy compared to a C and C (Mirage Builder/owner was the C&C dealer for years) but they are far from slugs under sail. Their current prices are pretty much what they cost back in 1976 which says something! Soft deck and hull? No. Osmosis, no. I owned a Mirage 33 and had no issues with it, in spite of its age. Best, Bob
Bob, are you saying they don't have a cored deck?
Hmm, not sure but I will find out and report.
No fancy hand layup, just lots of glass applied by chopper gun. Bob[/QUOTE] I doubt this was done as it is the worst way to build a boat.
mitiempo said: No fancy hand layup, just lots of glass applied by chopper gun. Bob Click to expand...
I checked and was told that Mirage did not use cores either in the hull nor the deck. So, while Mirage yachts did suffer from osmosis, like all boats of that era, contaminated cores were not a problem. I owned a Mirage 33 for some years and it was rock solid and a good sailing boat with a nice turn of speed. Best, Bob
Hand layup has strength because the glass fibers are long and overlap with each layer, adding great strength. Chopper gun uses very short pieces of glass with a great deal less strength. It would have to be much thicker to approach the strength of a hand layed up hull, which is not in any way an exotic way to construct a boat. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiberglass_spray_lay-up_process Scroll down to limitations. I have never seen a boat of any size built totally with a chopper gun and would certainly not want one.
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Mirage 28 kelley
The mirage 28 kelley is a 27.5ft masthead sloop designed by bruce kelley and built in fiberglass by mirage mfg. (usa) since 1980..
The Mirage 28 kelley is a moderate weight sailboat which is a reasonably good performer. It is very stable / stiff and has a low righting capability if capsized. It is best suited as a day-boat.
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Model | Mirage 28 kelley | ||
Length | 27.50 ft | ||
Beam | 9.18 ft | ||
Draft | 5 ft | ||
Country | United states (North America) | ||
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Sail area / displ. | 17.67 | ||
Ballast / displ. | 43.64 % | ||
Displ. / length | 220.52 | ||
Comfort ratio | 18.57 | ||
Capsize | 2.08 |
Hull type | Monohull fin keel with spade rudder | ||
Construction | Fiberglass | ||
Waterline length | 22.33 ft | ||
Maximum draft | 5 ft | ||
Displacement | 5500 lbs | ||
Ballast | 2400 lbs | ||
Hull speed | 6.33 knots |
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Rigging | Masthead Sloop | ||
Sail area (100%) | 343 sq.ft | ||
Air draft | 0 ft | ?? | |
Sail area fore | 196.88 sq.ft | ||
Sail area main | 145 sq.ft | ||
I | 35 ft | ||
J | 11.25 ft | ||
P | 29 ft | ||
E | 10 ft |
Nb engines | 1 | ||
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Designer | Bruce Kelley | ||
First built | 1980 | ||
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Mirage Yachts Ltd. was formed in February of 1972 by Dick and Irene Steffen, for the purpose of building the Mirage 24 designed by C&C. Up until this point they had owned a large volume C&C dealership in Point Claire, Quebec. At the time C&C did not build any model smaller than the 27. Dick was a very keen racing sailor and wanted a smaller MORC boat to both sail and sell from his retail dealership. At his request the C&C had designed a 24 footer, but C&C decided not to built it. Steffen then bought the design and set up his own shop on the second floor of a rented building in Point Claire, Que to build it. Sales of the 24 were gratifying and eventually 15 workers were busily turning out new Mirage 24’s. A lot of the reason for its success was based on its racing record in MORC class racing. Fifteen years after its introduction, a Mirage 24 placed #1 in the production-built division at the MORC national championships. The Mirage 24 proved so successful that an envious C&C shortly thereafter introduced the C&C 25, quite similar in design to the Mirage 24. Nevertheless, the Mirage 24 continued to sell very well and dominated the C&C 25 on the race course. When Dick then approached the C&C design team for a larger model and was turned down, he turned to designer Robert Perry for the new boat. In 1975, the plant was moved to a 12,000 sq. ft facility in nearby Vaudreuil, Que. The Perry designed Mirage 26 (later stretched to a 27) was introduced shortly thereafter. By 1979 the plant had grown to 30,000 sq.ft. with an additional 5,000 sq. ft. spar manufacturing facility in Dorion. Que. In 1983 the plant was again increased to 35,000 sq.ft. to accommodate the new Perry designed Mirage 33/35. The Bob Perry models were highly successful and the core of steady growth at Mirage for over a decade. Eventually the Mirage 26/27 was followed by the Mirage 33/35, the Mirage 30/32 series and the remarkable Mirage 25. Each of these models while remaining at the upper end of the performance scale, established the Mirage as a wholesome family cruiser. In the late 70’s the J/24 became the scourge of the race course. Seeing an opportunity opened by the interest in the J/24, Dick asked his old friend and Laser/International 14 designer, Bruce Kirby to design a new boat in this size range. The Kirby 25 was the result. Soon Kirby 25’s were pounding the PHRF and MORC fleets even worse than the J/24 did. When J/Boats introduced the J/30, Mirage unveiled the Kirby 30. which on the water rocketed right by the J. Ironically, J/Boats then introduced the J/29– a boat a whole lot like the Kirby 30. The modified Kirby 30, the Mirage 30SX remains today, a highly competitive PHRF or MORC rocket. In the mid-eighties the “French Invasion,” fueled by an advantageous exchange rate, amd minimal import duties was in full swing in North America, lead by Beneteau, Jeanneau , Elite, and others. The French boats sported avant garde styling and reasonable two stateroom accommodations, even in smaller boats under 35’. Sales of the Perry designed Mirage 30, (generally thought of as a superb sailing boat) were dissapointing. In 1985, Steffen looking to build a replacement model to the aging 27, asked several designers to do preliminaries for a 28 footer with a double aft cabin. The design submitted by Phillippe Harle’s was Steffens choice which became the MIRAGE 29 and was introduced in the spring of 1986. This model was an instant success. About 50 boats were sold before hull #1 hit the water and nearly three hundred were eventually built. The MIRAGE 275 and MIRAGE 39 followed, both also Harle designs. Not long after the introduction of the MIRAGE 39, Mirage Yachts Ltd. was sold to a Montreal investor who very shortly went out of business.
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9,991. Location. River Hamble. Visit site. calvong said: Hi all! Am in Singapore and found for sale a rare (in these parts) 1979 mirage 28 that had been sailed all the way down from Belgium. Thinking of purchasing it as a first boat.
The immersion rate is defined as the weight required to sink the boat a certain level. The immersion rate for Mirage 28 (Feltham) is about 126 kg/cm, alternatively 709 lbs/inch. Meaning: if you load 126 kg cargo on the boat then it will sink 1 cm. Alternatively, if you load 709 lbs cargo on the boat it will sink 1 inch.
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Designed by David Feltham, the Mirage 28 is a solid, well constructed Thames Marine production boat. A masthead GRP twin keel sloop, she is like a much larger version of Thames Marine's first successful yacht, the Snapdragon 23**, and of course, her accommodation is more commodious. With standing headroom throughout, and five berths, a full ...
3,791. Visit site. jwilson said: Countess 28 a bit heavier, more traditional, Mirage lighter, more modern looking and probably a bit faster, especially as it has angled bilge keels instead of the Countess's vertical ones. Countesses can vary a lot from roughly fitted out to beautifully, as many (maybe most) were amateur fitouts from bare hulls.
Mirage 28 (Kelley) is a 27′ 5″ / 8.4 m monohull sailboat designed by Bruce Kelley and built by Mirage Mfg. starting in 1980. ... Sail area in square feet, derived by adding the mainsail area to 100% of the foretriangle area (the lateral area above the deck between the mast and the forestay). D: ...
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The Mirage 28 feltham is a 28.33ft masthead sloop designed by David Feltham and built in fiberglass by Thames Marine (UK) since 1977. The Mirage 28 feltham is a moderate weight sailboat which is under powered. It is stable / stiff and has a good righting capability if capsized. It is best suited as a coastal cruiser.
Mirage 28 good accomodation and weatherly boat. Mine was a bilge keeler. Reasonable performance. no real criticisms. A friend owns a 26 which is very similar below but shorter cockpit - he claims it is faster than a 28. Mirage 27 and 2700 are not from the same stable or designer. I believe they were built by Leisure and have a transom hung rudder.
388 posts · Joined 2002. #6 · Apr 6, 2008. The Mirage 24 was designed by C&C and built by Mirage (it was their first boat). Mirage 24 - Used Sailboat Market in Canada. Everything I've heard about Mirage with respect to quality has been positive. Then again, maintenance is key to a thirty plus year old boat.
The Mirage 28 kelley is a 27.5ft masthead sloop designed by Bruce Kelley and built in fiberglass by Mirage Mfg. (USA) since 1980. The Mirage 28 kelley is a moderate weight sailboat which is a reasonably good performer. It is very stable / stiff and has a low righting capability if capsized. It is best suited as a day-boat.
Source: sailboatdata.com / CC BY. Suggest Improvements. Mirage Yachts Ltd. was formed in February of 1972 by Dick and Irene Steffen, for the purpose of building the Mirage 24 designed by C&C. Up until this point they had owned a large volume C&C dealership in Point Claire, Quebec. At the time C&C did not build any model smaller than the 27.
The immersion rate is defined as the weight required to sink the boat a certain level. The immersion rate for Mirage 28 (Kelley) is about 127 kg/cm, alternatively 715 lbs/inch. Meaning: if you load 127 kg cargo on the boat then it will sink 1 cm. Alternatively, if you load 715 lbs cargo on the boat it will sink 1 inch.
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It takes into consideration "reported" sail area, displacement and length at waterline. The higher the number the faster speed prediction for the boat. A cat with a number 0.6 is likely to sail 6kts in 10kts wind, a cat with a number of 0.7 is likely to sail at 7kts in 10kts wind. KSP = (Lwl*SA÷D)^0.5*0.5
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