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converting a tiller steer to steering wheel- Thread starter rem0h
- Start date Feb 19, 2004
- Feb 19, 2004
I have a 2000 25hp Mercury with electric start and shifter on the tiller handle. A dealer quoted me $1500 to convert to a steering wheel, remote starter button and shifter cables for the throttle and gear select. Does anyone know if there is a source for aftermarket parts for this? It can't be that hard to do. Oh yeah the engine is on an 18' john. Re: converting a tiller steer to steering wheel remOh,<br /> Yes this sounds high.Let's try to break it down in stages.You need a kit to remove the tiller handle,and install hardware to mount a steering cable to your motor.Now you need another kit to enable the shift cable and throttle cable to mount and work on the engine.A wiring harness needs to go up front,along with two control cables.Next needed is a control box to connect this to.Now we need a place to mount it.A steering cable would be nice,and connect it to a helm.Woops....where do we mount the helm...Oh yeah in the new console.Do we want a seat so we can operate from the new console?<br /> I'm not trying to be a wise *ss But I am thinking how I would go about doing your project.<br /> You might save something on aftermarket,BUT don't loose quality.<br /> DHP<br /><br /> oops,did I mention labor charges? Re: converting a tiller steer to steering wheel remHo<br />I would like to buy your tiller handle off of your 25 Merc. I am trying to convert my steering back the other way. If interested please email me at [email protected] Petty Officer 1st ClassRe: converting a tiller steer to steering wheel $1500 parts and labor? I'd go for it at that price. At our shop, we wouldn't touch a job like that (as DHP describes) for less than $2000 parts and labor.<br /><br />And again, you may do better pricing aftermarket, but I gotta agree with DHP, you will sacrafice quality. Be careful.<br /><br />Good luck! Free Ground Shipping for PowerKnobs and PowerWheels - my account Sign in Register Gift Certificates
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| | Edson tiller head assembly | | Stuffing box goes over the rudder extension shaft, which was later trimmed down | 2 comments:Awesome article. I am considering converting to a tiller on a 79 Hunter 33. Thanks - Forum Listing
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Wheel to tiller conversion possible?Is it possible to convert a boat with wheel steering to a tiller? Impossible? Does it depend on the boat? sure you can just need to find out what is needed to make the change, post the year make model of the boat here and see if you can some idea from the SN members as to how to go about it, or there opinion at any rate Thanks. No specific boats yet, just wondering if it would rule any boats out when I'm looking. Converted my Crealock 37 from wheel to tiller a few months ago. Needed to drop the rudder and have an extension welded to it, a bearing added to where it emerges into the cockpit, and a few bits and pieces. Remove the wheel, quadrant, pedestal, etc. Move the engine controls from the pedestal, move the instruments from the pedestal. Marc Hall Crazy Fish - Maintaining, Upgrading and Sailing a Crealock 37 If you really want a boat with a tiller, you really should just only consider thew purchase of boats that have a tiller. For models/boat sizes usually equipped with a wheel, a version with a tiller will sell for a big discount. If you buy a boat with a wheel, you pay more going in, then lose a few thousands when you remove the wheel. Probably a bad way to do it. This is a good question and i thank you for asking it. I use to only look at wheel driven boats but now ive flipped to tiller. I like the simplicity i guesd. therondor owning a columbis 36 with a triller i wonder why you would want to change to a tiller don't get me wrong i love my tiller ,but it takes up a huge amount of room in the cockpit and if you plan to run with your rails in the water you better grow some arms as weather helm is purely leverage and wreslteing a 6 00 pound gorrilla for 5 or 6 hours is a tiring affair,infact hthis heai i am converting this to a wheel it will free up several feet of the cockpit with the relocation od the mainsail boom traveler to the top to the coach i will be able to use the the entire cockpit i'm hoping to find a bimini for the sun really burns me up,. howerve if it,s racing you are interested than a tiller might be your thing but for cruising i would have to recomend the wheel A friend has an Ericson 33 that originally had a wheel and is now tiller steered. This boat's rudder stock has a top bushing and exposed shaft nearly at deck level so attaching the tiller was a simple matter. He does have a circular hump in the cockpit where the original pedestal hole has been covered with a gasketed plate, but generally it's not in the way of anything while sailing. The original quadrant is still on the stock below decks, but again not really in the way of anything. Wheel-to-tiller will obviously be less costly than going the other way, esp if you can sell the pedestal later on. Faster said: A friend has an Ericson 33 that originally had a wheel and is now tiller steered. This boat's rudder stock has a top bushing and exposed shaft nearly at deck level so attaching the tiller was a simple matter. He does have a circular hump in the cockpit where the original pedestal hole has been covered with a gasketed plate, but generally it's not in the way of anything while sailing. The original quadrant is still on the stock below decks, but again not really in the way of anything. Wheel-to-tiller will obviously be less costly than going the other way, esp if you can sell the pedestal later on. Click to expand... A tiller really implies that the rudder is a 'balanced' design so that the forces needed for the tiller when the boat is at high speed is light or easy to move. A 'barn door' rudder, one that attached by 'hinges' to the end of a full keel or to a 'skeg' require a LOT of force to turn when the boat is at speed ... and functionally they are best turned with a 'wheel' that can generate a lot of mechanical advantage. For a tiller the 'best match' is a 'balanced' spade rudder, the worst match-up would be a 'barn door' 'hinged' or pintle hung rudder. If the rudder is 'balanced' then the tiller will only need 'finger tip' pressure to hold the boat on a straight course but if the rudder is not 'balanced' sometimes you'll need arms like Popeye to overcome the adverse helm pressure when 'steering'. RichH said: A tiller really implies that the rudder is a 'balanced' design so that the forces needed for the tiller when the boat is at high speed is light or easy to move. A 'barn door' rudder, one that attached by 'hinges' to the end of a full keel or to a 'skeg' require a LOT of force to turn when the boat is at speed ... and functionally they are best turned with a 'wheel' that can generate a lot of mechanical advantage. For a tiller the 'best match' is a 'balanced' spade rudder, the worst match-up would be a 'barn door' 'hinged' or pintle hung rudder. If the rudder is 'balanced' then the tiller will only need 'finger tip' pressure to hold the boat on a straight course but if the rudder is not 'balanced' sometimes you'll need arms like Popeye to overcome the adverse helm pressure when 'steering'. Click to expand... ANYTHING is possible. It's just a matter of time and money. On some boats the conversion will be easy and inexpensive. On others it will be complicated and expensive. Personally, if I wanted a tiller-steered boat, I would either look for one that already has a tiller, one on which a tiller was an option, or one that originally came with a tiller and had been converted to wheel-steering by a previous owner. I think it depends on what size boat you are looking for. If you are looking at sub 30' boats, you will find enough with tiller steering that you shouldn't bother shopping for boats with wheels and do a conversion. BTW, I like a tiller b/c when at port it lifts completely out of the way, and while sailing, I can steer and still just reach the companion way. Is it possible to get a steering wheel helm from just a Tiller? I am looking at getting a boat, but the ones I do like just have the tiller and I would like the option. Jwood, you're better off starting a new thread. But yes, it can be done, depending on the boat. Whether you'd WANT to do it, and whether it's really a good idea for that boat, is another story. For example, on my 15' Albacore, a wheel wouldn't be a good idea. Many folks will tell you that you are better off keeping the tiller because of the increased "feel", ability to make rapid course corrections more easily, simplicity of the mechanics (less to break), ability to free up the cockpit while at the slip, etc. Start a new thread and ask the question again, and if you can, give us a feel for the size/type of boat you're considering. it's possible in any boat, the question is time and $$$money, it won't be easy Top Contributors this MonthHow To Convert A Tiller Outboard Motor To SteeringThings needed. Measuring tape Steering cable China marker 2-1/2-inch hole saw 1/4-inch drill bits Screwdriver Plastic cable ties White marine grease Torque wrench Petroleum jelly If the wheel doesn't turn the engine, disconnect the cable from the outboard and turn the wheel again. If the wheel turns freely, the problem lies in the outboard's swivel bracket. If the wheel doesn't turn freely, check the steering cable for kinks or turns too sharp to allow it to move freely. If there are no kinks, disconnect the cable from the helm and turn the wheel. If the wheel doesn't turn freely, replace the helm When you decide to convert the tiller steering on your outboard to helm-type steering with a steering wheel, the most important part of the project is testing. A boat's steering system must work correctly and easily every time. Once the installation and testing are complete, though, you can sit with your boating guests throughout the course of your outing. Measure the distance from the proposed wheel location to the side of the boat to the transom using a measuring tape. Add 6 inches to determine the length of steering cable required. Locate the template for the dash layout, found in the helm kit. Place the template where you want to install the steering wheel. Trace the hole perimeters of the template onto the dash, using a china marker. Drill the holes for the steering shaft and mounting bolt into the dash, using a 2-1/2-inch hole saw and drill bits, usually 1/4-inch unless otherwise specified. Slide the helm unit behind the dash so that the steering shaft points to the stern, or rear, of the boat. Push the helm into place under the dash so the steering shaft protrudes through the dash, and secure it in place with the screws provided in the kit and a screwdriver. Remove the screw from the end of the rack gear connection on the helm. Insert the screw through the end-bore of the steering cable. Install the steering cable along the boat's side as you route it to the transom. Secure the cable along the way with plastic cable ties. Direct the cable to the motor, and secure the cable to the corner loosely. Grease the end of the cable with white marine grease. Push the cable through the outboard's tilt tube — the tube on which the engine tilts up and down. Attach the end of the cable to the motor's steering arm or steering link rod. using the steering arm or link rod's bolt and lock nut. Tighten to 20 foot-pounds with a torque wrench. Dip the sides of the small metal tab — called a key — into petroleum jelly, and place the key into its notch in the steering shaft that protrudes through the dash. Push the steering wheel onto the steering wheel shaft. Thread the nut onto the shaft, and tighten it to the torque recommended by the helm's manufacturer. Turn the wheel from side to side to ensure the steering wheel turns the outboard freely. Recommended- Forums New posts Unanswered threads Register Top Posts Email
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Catalina 250 wheel to tiller conversion- Thread starter sebastko
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Stu Jacksonsebastko said: ...but the association forum doesn't let me in... :-| does anyone know if that association's web site and forum are still active? Click to expand sebastko said: Perhaps anyone knows a contact to one of the admins? Click to expand I can read that whole thread without logging in. Here it is in pdf format: Attachments- Association Forum.pdf 347.1 KB Views: 98
I can read it too but cannot ask the follow-up question about the rudder. Thanks for help! Don GuilletteI moved from a Macgregor 22 to a Catalina 25 with tiller steering, I considered converting to wheel but didn't and in my situation I'm glad I didn't. At the time I was working on the development of the Sail Trim Chart. I really needed to experience how the boat was responding to small sail trim control changes and you can't beat the "feel" of the boat you get with the tiller. To me, it is lost with the wheel. I almost wanted to convert my C30 to tiller. - This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies. Accept Learn more…
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Mar 28, 2011. #1. My husband wants to convert our 1978 Catalina 30 from a tiller to a wheel. The boat has always been lightly used and is in excellent condition. We are having a "discussion" about whether it would be worth spending the money for the conversion. He doesn't like to always be holding the tiller (we have an autopilot that has never ...
Credit: David Harding. First, you need enough space between the cockpit seats for a wheel (whose centre will be 710mm/28in above the sole). You will need at least 350mm (14in) of clear space abaft the wheel for the helm, and to allow another 180mm (7in) to the centre of the pedestal to get an idea of where it will go.
Tiller is logical on a full keeler with a transom-hung rudder for many reasons: mechanical simplicity, "feel" of sail helming, ease of putting in a tiller pilot vs. a wheel pilot (could be as simple as a bungee cord and some sort of clip, or could be a simple ram-type tiller pilot), space made in the cockpit at dock by simply putting the tiller ...
I suggest that the cheapest fix is to take some lessons in sail trim so that you will understand how to properly trim your sails in order to minimize weather helm. Installing a wheel in a boat this small is expensive ($2000-3500 depending on type of wheel system chosen) and can really hurt resale value. Jeff.
Catalina 27- 1984 Grapevine. Jul 7, 2013. #7. In a perfect world, where we all have perfect wives. When I went from tiller to wheel the change in my wife's sailing attitude was instantaneous, she now asks when WE are going out next. She loves the wheel, takes little physical effort, keeps her happy, I'm happy.
May 24, 2005. #13. Other advantages of a tiller. To convert to wheel you'll need to get under the cockpit floor to install a rudder quadrant, run the control cables, and thru-bolt the wheel binnacle to the cockpit floor. I'm sure your Allied 30 has an inboard right where all that access is needed.
Tiller to Wheel Conversion. I have a Seafarer 26 with tiller steering. There is a flat area designed for a pedestal. Can anyone give the pros and cons of making this conversion. Also does anyone have a serviceable steering system (no controls required) available for purchase. Located in the upper Chesapeake area.
I recall project managing a conversion of a 2005 Dufour 34 performance from tiller to wheel steering. The conversion cost was around £1,200 if I recall with the owner arranging himself for the mainsheet track to be moved forward. 18 Aug 2011 #6 F. ... we have gone from tiller (30' boat) to wheel (36' boat) - i prefer the wheel for sailing and ...
1. You can still get an autopilot for the tiller. 2. When the autopilot breaks, you can rig it up to self-steer by running the jib sheet to the tiller to balance the weather helm. 3. There's more control than a wheel, since you can go from hard over one way to hard over the other way in a split second 4.
Posts: 92. Re: Looking for a tiller to wheel conversion kit. I just, two weeks ago, converted my Cal29 from tiller to wheel, before embarking on a 9 day cruise from Grand River in Painesville to the Lake Erie Islands and back. The reason I converted was because the tiller, while underway, took up way too much room in the cockpit.
Re: converting a tiller steer to steering wheel remHo<br />I would like to buy your tiller handle off of your 25 Merc. I am trying to convert my steering back the other way. If interested please email me at [email protected]
Last spring I did a tiller to wheel conversion on my Catalina 27. If have found it to be great on several fronts. I did a Pull-pull cable conversion, and it doesn't use any pulleys. Edson has a bulletin on this conversion. I did not lose any "feeling" for the rudder. I can turn the boat faster when necessary, and also allow non sailors to come ...
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My boat was built with BOTH wheel and tiller steering, mostly for the Aries windvane. Like you suggest a sleeve over the rudder stock. There are 2 big bolt that go through the sleeve and stock. I have seen 2 other steel boats with this arrangement, one French and one I English I think. Think about the deck penetration a bit, you want to keep ...
Dec 10, 2012. #20. I think the idea of an edson steering pedestal/wheel, along with the push-pull cable is the best option. I've had an edson-steered boat for 25 years and never needed the backup tiller. I've got an edson pedestal and 24" wheel for sale $150. Check it out on their site. 1. 2.
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Wheel-to-tiller conversion. The Pearson 35 is known for its unique wheel pedestal position, located forward in the cockpit rather than aft, almost pressing up against the companionway. This was because the Pearson 35 was originally designed as a yawl, since CCA racing rules back then didn't handicap or penalize a boat with a yawl rig.
Mar 9, 2007. #1. I am new at sailing last summer I purchased my first sail boat a 1984 Catalina 27 tiller steer. I am going to spend some of my tax return on the boat. I would love to hear from experienced sailors their thoughts of either a tiller raymaine ST 2000 autopilot $ 700 or converting to a Edson Wheel system $ 1700 I am leaning towards ...
Converted my Crealock 37 from wheel to tiller a few months ago. Needed to drop the rudder and have an extension welded to it, a bearing added to where it emerges into the cockpit, and a few bits and pieces. Remove the wheel, quadrant, pedestal, etc. Move the engine controls from the pedestal, move the instruments from the pedestal.
Step 5. Grease the end of the cable with white marine grease. Push the cable through the outboard's tilt tube -- the tube on which the engine tilts up and down. Attach the end of the cable to the motor's steering arm or steering link rod. using the steering arm or link rod's bolt and lock nut. Tighten to 20 foot-pounds with a torque wrench.
Jun 27, 2022. #1. Hi, I'm considering converting from wheel steering to a tiller (I had been considering that even before my steering system broke ) on my 1996 Catalina 250WB. One problem I'm anticipating is that the rudder seems to be designed to be locked in place by the steering system's tiller. Once the steering system is gone, the rudder ...